20120215 Meet and Greet (Gov and Senate)

This meeting was held at Challenger Academy in Salt Lake City. It was a good chance to hear from the Candidates. We were split in to rooms with about 8-10 delegates each and the candidates moved from room to room sharing their message for about 15 minutes. Some just presented and others went straight to Q&A. It was a great event. Thanks to Frank Anderson and the Independence Caucus for facilitating this.

2/15/2012 6:40:42 PM Presentation Becky Pirente (on behalf of Ken Sumsion (Gov candidate)) “How many think the funding of education is easy to understand?
It is pretty difficult. 100% of all state income tax goes to education, then a portion around 60% of property tax goes to education.
Utah spends the largest percent of its revenue to education.” (I missed the first few minutes of this presentation)
2/15/2012 6:47:38 PM Presentation Morgan Philpot “We have spending limitations due to keeping budgets balanced.
We have a disturbing trend that is happening and it is not new. The trend is unlimited government. It is simple since they do it incrementally. In the state of Utah from 1992 to 2012 incomes have not grown or slowly grown about 8%. The state government spending has gone up by 385%. Ask yourself, why does government get to grow like that when you don’t?
Who is the servant or the master? Whoa has got to go?
Gary has got to go. His budget this year is $12.9 billion which is $1 billion more than last years. This is the largest budget ever proposed by a governor.
If a person gets this graph (drew on the board the growth of salaries versus the growth of government) of what has been happening since 1910 then they will want change. They used to take 10% but now they take 43%. That is socialism folks.
What does our governor do? When we see a revenue increase he increases his budget. When you see this graph then you get that this can not continue.
This trend of unlimited government is wrong.
If you have a real governor and leaders who change this curve, then income will be unlimited. How do you know they got to go? This graph is how you know. When you see that this can not be perpetuated.
Did you know the governor is helping with the State Health Exchange that is part of Obamacare? He is working on it now.
The Heartland Institute points out that an exchange means you can get waivers and not have to pay for insurance. If Obamacare is nullified by the Supreme Court as is right then it won’t come here and he will have wasted all that effort on building the Exchange.
In education, Common Core is the trojan horse for education. Our governor has rolled it in. He has helped Obama bring this mandate here.
He has got to go.
Utah can no longer afford to be a part of this curve of unlimited government spending. We are one of the only rational, sane states and we have to lead on this issue. We need a governor who won’t help Obamacare.
Our governor can talk a good talk but we can no longer afford him. It has been going on since 1910. We have to lead out now in this State. We should not just be the best managed but we need to show America what it is like to have a non-top down run state.
I had a UEA president say to me that “Parents have no business on deciding how to educate our children.” Our Governor has their support. He is the wrong man. I want to leave some time for questions.”
2/15/2012 6:55:04 PM Question How will you get the land back?
2/15/2012 6:55:12 PM Answer Morgan Philpot “I have to contrast my opponent and my view. We have Carl Wimmer here who has died at the door of the Governor. Litigation, Legislation and Mediation are the normal means. Where does litigation end? Supreme Court. Mediation ends there too.
If we want our land back we have to take initiatives like Imminent Domain. We have to pass and create a taxable domain and request payment from the Federal government.
I am not a Revolutionary. I don’t want to shed blood, but we must find ways to take without permission through peaceful means. That is where I will spend my political capital and take it. There are defense councils that we can pursue. But the Governor has dropped the ball. Lt. Governor Bell, assigned to be our champion for lands, is too moderate. The committee did not spend the money to fight it, but if you look at their agendas you will see that they do not spend on this.”
2/15/2012 6:57:45 PM Question Talk is cheap. You are talking about cutting spending what will you cut?
2/15/2012 6:57:59 PM Answer Morgan Philpot I will ask for 10% across the board and then if I can’t get that then freeze spending. Then wait until revenue grows to cut again. All of the departments we need to go after. If our Governor is in bed with the old education model then you have the wrong game.
2/15/2012 6:58:44 PM Statement Carl Wimmer The nice thing is that we don’t have to take your word. Your record was stellar when you were in the legislature. They called me the new Morgan Philpot. You passed a piece of legislation back then. Can you talk about that?
2/15/2012 6:59:21 PM Answer Morgan Philpot “The Carson-Smith eduation voucher is something that I worked with Senator Dayton on. It takes special needs kids and gives them a voucher. The parents use it at 99%. If you want initiative taken in education I am the right person. If you want it I was voting against budgets when my colleagues voted for it.
I was the founder of the Conservative Caucus but it lost its way and the Patrick Henry Caucus came up.”
2/15/2012 7:00:33 PM Question Speak about education?
2/15/2012 7:00:40 PM Answer Morgan Philpot “I like backpack funding. I will take it to the fullest extent I can get it. It assigns a value to a child. We have a compulsory education model. We have to provde a free public educaiton. It we can get a backpack funding then that will be good. Parents choose where they go.
So since a special needs child costs more then that money will follow them. I support money going out of the public education system. I support people going out of the public system since you are more capable of making that decision.
I suggest we fight the battle again.”
2/15/2012 7:03:00 PM Presentation David Kirkham “I am running for governor. This is what I do. I make cars. In 1995 I had a dream and I wanted to make cars. I went to a factory in Poland to find a place to make cars. Nobody was here in the US to make them. So when I heard about the wall falling I went to Warsaw and when I got there everything was concrete. Everything had been destroyed.
I then went to a factory and the lights were off. People stood at the machines all day with nothing to do. It was a huge facility, 4 square miles. This was the ashes of Socialism. In all this Socialism and despair they had no idea what beautiful was.
I brought them to the US. They landed in Salt Lake City where I could take them to Lowes to see a wall of hammers. You had to make hammers there. I was so excited to take them to Lowes but I took them to Albertsons the next morning because it was too early for Lowes.
They were slow to follow me while I hurried through the aisles. We got to the Kool Aid aisle and they were looking at the packages. They were arguing about which one of two flavors to pick. So I got them both and droped them in the cart. One of the guys asked if he could try another one and another one. Finally they picked up a whole handful and asked can I try this? I said “you are in America where you are free and you can try any thing you want.” He dropped the packages, fell to the ground and cried.
Socialism is poison. It destroys the soul. In those societies they don’t let you choose because they force you to choose theirs.
I saw the end of Polish TARP when they fired 20,000 and they were at my door for a job the next day. Later Russia asked if I could modify a Nuclear factory because they didn’t want to the employees to sell their secrets to make money. We set them up again in private enterprise and provided a bridge for them so that they wouldn’t sell their secrets.
In 2008 I was a Republican and voted that way. After 2008 it was different because Bush signed TARP. I had seen that already. I saw the effects of a bailout. I was in Russia when I saw it fail.
I became very politcially active at that time.
I started the Tea Party in Utah because of what I have seen. I don’t even want to be on the road that they are starting down. I organized up and down the state and got a lot of people to show up and we defeated Senator Bennett.
I helped with 2 weeks of protests against HB 477. They wanted to restirct access to government records. You have a first amendment right to address government for grievances.
I fought on the local level against children being arrested for Truancy in Provo. The City Council tried it and we showed up to stop it.
I have testified in front of the Senate Finance Committee. I told it straight to Senator Baucus, it is you that is ruining jobs. I decided I can only fight so long as a citizen until I need to run for Office.
I want to be your advocate and chief.
I want to represent you. There was a $208 million dollar tax increase in the HB116 bill that you didn’t get told about. There is no way the Federal government will let us raid Social Security funds for this bill.
I aim as governor to stand up for you.”
2/15/2012 7:13:09 PM Question What would you do and what was wrong with GRAMA?
2/15/2012 7:13:44 PM Answer David Kirkham I will explain a small portion of the GRAMA change as an example of why it was bad. If you submit a request, then in 30 days if they don’t look at it, then it is deemed denied. If you are rich you can get the records eventually. It is the poor people who get hurt with this kind of law. Wealthy people can stand up to it with attorneys. The poor can’t.
2/15/2012 7:14:35 PM Question Do you have operations in Utah?
2/15/2012 7:14:42 PM Answer David Kirkham “I am one of the only people who has imported jobs. Half of my staff is hispanic. I speak Spanish. We comply with federal law and use Everify.
Let me show you something we manufacture here. This sample piece is 28 parts and 41 operations using the normal methods. This is one part and one operation. That is what I do. I streamline operations so that there is more money left over.”
2/15/2012 7:15:48 PM Question Economy.
2/15/2012 7:15:54 PM Answer “It is artificially inflated because of the Olympics money for highways and then the Church dumped $5 billion in to the economy with building. We have doubled our debt during this time by building even more highway so it is not a sound footing. Our debt is now $3.4 billion.”
2/15/2012 7:16:56 PM Presentation Dan Liljenquist “It is time for a new generation of leaders to go back to Washington and start changing the mess. I just resigned from the Utah Senate to run because if we don’t solve these problems in DC now then what we do here won’t have the ability to cause change.
I graduated in Business and Law. I worked at Bain Capital and worked in the Fortune 500 space. I jumped out to a call center in Utah.
My partner in that company suggested that I needed to show people that they could run without making their fortune already. I ran for office in 2008. I ran with my partners help.
In fall of 2008 I ran on a platform that I would get in and follow the money. When I won I was told that you couldn’t reform state pensions. I didn’t believe that.
I worked on it and passed it so that we are on a long term pension solution. I also ran a bill to cap Medicare spending and we passed that bill last year unanimously. I want to fix the long term financial train wrecks. So there are 3 things we need to do:
1) We have to send fiscal leaders to Washington. People who know it and can change it. People have lableled entitlements as the third rail that you can’t even talk about. I don’t believe that.
I took on every union in the state of Utah and 4500 people rallied against me but we were able to overcome that. Reality is not negotiable. We will have to make choices over the next couple of years.
2) We have got to get back to self reliance and developing our own resouces here. Our state has resources.
3) We have got to get back to our moral roots. The brilliance of this system is that our rights are God given. And the government is who gets in the way of our rights sometimes. The founders set up a system to balance a centralized federal government against the states.
The House is meant to represent population but the Senate is meant to represent the State. We have created National senators now who have ignored working with the state legislators and allowed Congress to push past us.
The Department of Education was created with Senator Hatch’s support. It was in the 90s when they passed SCHIP. In 1997 with Kennedy they took over children’s health care. That was not the role of a Senator.
They are supposed to hold States rights. The US Senate is meant to be a bulwark for States rights. They need to allow us to do what we want to in our state.
We must start looking at self reliance and balanced federalism principles. We need to balance this.
Reality is not negotiable and we are awake now. To make the change you have to change the people.”
2/15/2012 7:23:15 PM Question What will you do about Commerce clause?
2/15/2012 7:23:21 PM Answer Dan Liljenquist “The clause has been the justification together with the general welfare clause. This was so that Alabama wouldn’t block off the Mississippi. But Intrastate was always local only. But now they have stepped in and asserted their power. They should not be able to since some commerce stays in state.
So you have to write better laws in Congress. And the Exeuctive branch is taking control. You have to starve the agency to reduce budgets. You have to fix the food safety act and send it back to the local or state level. It has to start by people saying it. We need a lot of legislation changes.”
2/15/2012 7:25:13 PM Question Would you privatize social security?
2/15/2012 7:25:21 PM Answer Dan Liljenquist “I support individual accounts for guys like me. I don’t know that we can privatize. To reform Social Security you will have to ask people things. Those who are retired it doesn’t change. But if I have to work till I am 72 then I can do that. But give me a percent of it, a bit of the money and I will take it.
It has taken us decades to get to this point so we can’t change it overnight. But Congress can’t continue the Ponzi Scheme.”
2/15/2012 7:26:36 PM Question Illegal immigration.
2/15/2012 7:26:43 PM Answer Dan Liljenquist “I voted against HB 116 because it was unconstitutional. It is the one thing the Federal government is supposed to do. Conservatives feel suckered because Reagan granted amnesty and didn’t secure the border.
We need to secure the border. It is like having a converation about cleaning up blood while the patient is still bleeding out without sewing the wound.
Any converstation needs to address the national security threat and secure the border. 40,000 people have been killed on the borders. We need to secure it first. Our basic policy after 911 was wrong. It has been to shut down legal immigration.”
2/15/2012 7:28:19 PM Question How?
2/15/2012 7:28:22 PM Answer Dan Liljenquist “They have deployed more resources and equipment to the border. We can find people. They used to drop the guys off at the border crossing. So now they are busing them to the city 10 hours away. We are deploying more resources and perhaps the declining economy helps. We are sending them further away.
One of the other things we have to do is fix the problem on the border with the EPA. The EPA in certain strips controls it. Immigrants don’t care obout the turtles and we need to clear that up.”
2/15/2012 7:29:47 PM Question A big industry here in Utah is defense spending. I hear Obama wants so cut back to 1920s level. Should we cut?
2/15/2012 7:30:11 PM Answer Dan Liljenquist “Of course we should cut. I don’t want us to just axe everything. One of the best managed bases is Hill Air Force Base. It is not the biggest federal expense. Our budget is growing at the same time. We have to deal with entitlement spending in order to field the military.
They are knee jerking not studying. This I our 46th public meeting since I announced my candidacy and we can use your help. Go to danforutah.com”
2/15/2012 7:32:05 PM Presentation Kevin Fisk “I signed up for the military for 6 years. Then worked on drills and now finally I am a small business owner.
One of the reasons I am running is because we keep sending bureaucrats to Washington. I don’t think you can represent someone unless you have walked in their shoes. My mother was on welfare through my growing up years.
I have seen the system used and abused throughout my life. Republicans picked up a lot of seats but they didn’t pick up conservatives. We can not send another person who will cave to the Republican push.
As long as we keep sending these schmucks to Washington we will not get change. A bureaucrat is a bureaucrat, it doesn’t matter. We need to start to send regular people to Washington. That is the direction we need to go.”
2/15/2012 7:41:59 PM Question What is really conservative?
2/15/2012 7:42:08 PM Answer Kevin Fisk “It is not the governments place to make sure they have jobs. They should only support defense.
My mother never had a job and was on welfare. She resigned to being a welfare mom throughout her life. She put us in danger as kids and I don’t see that the welfare system is included in the Constitution. I am not completely against it.
I support the idea of giving her partial benefits. There are a lot of single parents who can’t do it.
It should not be a career and that is what it was. It is what screws the system up. There are people who are laid off and can’t do it all. I just, you can’t have people who make a career out of it.
I have a sister that is doing the same thing now.
I like the ideas of the Tea Party. My issue is that it has been co-opted by the politicians.
You are right that a lot of the Tea Party candidates went there and buckled. A lot of them stood their ground but a lot caved.
You have to make sure that your candidate will be a leader and not just a follower.”
2/15/2012 7:45:42 PM Presentation Jeremy Friedbaum “I am running for Senator. At the Convention two years ago I came right up after Mitt Romney during the convention. I gave the message that we could not do what was right voting for Bob Bennett.
I had a testimony at that moment of drawing lots. No one would use the majority of their time to give to someone else. The Lord put me in the right spot at the right time. I used my time at the microphone to endorse the other candidates.
I’ll make you a deal. Go to UTGOP.org. You can see all the candidates. My website just got started and it needs some improvement. I just got a check for $1,200.00 and so I can do a lot more work on it.
If you like what I have to say then check my Facebook as well. You can find out all the information I would have told you about myself on my site. So, what are your questions?”
2/15/2012 7:48:12 PM Question What sets you apart in the field?
2/15/2012 7:48:21 PM Answer Jeremy Friedbaum “I am more concerned about getting Hatch replaced than serving in Washington. This is how I serve my country. When I go to debates I challenge Senator Hatch. I don’t just try to appeal to you or him.
For me I challenge Hatch when he says it is terrible about Ginsburg saying things about the Constitution. Then I tell him, “but you confirmed her. In the Senate you could go on the floor and could call for her censure versus just complaining here in Utah where it doesn’t make a difference.”
Hatch confirmed Cass Sunstein and Kathryn Sibelius. They are not doing good things and he supported them. I will bring those things up and the other candidates don’t. That is what I am doing now.
I am the only one who wants to serve for one term only. (That’s what everyone says). No, seriously. I am working with a lawyer to put together the contract to write that I will surrender my house if I try to win more than one term. That is a big difference. My house would be handed over to a charity if I try to stay in DC for more than one term.
I have a better idea on taxation than any one else. I don’t think you have heard of it before. The government shouldn’t be looking at what you make. You should be safe in papers and effects.
In the 16th Amendment it says they were trying to get away from state. We don’t have to tax directly from the Fed, so then the Federal government could charge based on 3 million people in the state of Utah. Then the State of Utah has to figure out how they are going to pay the bill. We might use alcohol and tobacco taxes. Nevada could pay using gambling taxes. Each state could choose to raise the Federal funds as they see best. I don’t want the federal government deciding who is rich and who is poor. The states know how to tax its people and if it was wrong or bad then the people would move out of the state. I think that is the best plan. Much better than a national flat tax.
I would like to see the Coast Guard become the Coast and Border guard.
I want a drug test of Congress. You test pilots why not test Congress? You remember that one Congressman who mentioned that if we put more troops on Guam it might capsize? I think they need to be tested for drug use.
I am for strict term limits. I have actually been able to accomplish a lot as part of my participating. I challenged Cannon a lot of years ago. With $500.00 and 32 volunteers I was able to go to a Primary. That forced the change to 40/60 by the entire party. It is our best chance of not getting to the next level.
When Mike Leavitt came to the Utah County Convention. I did not like him since he was agasint school choice and right to carry. Everybody on the stage stood up. I did not stand up. I was alone. I know how hard it is to resist a mob movement. I went on a 40 day fast.
I swam out of Utah Lake as a 5 mile swim. I have done some hard things.
When I became a Christian my father got everyone to ignore me like I was dead. I have an ability to do the hard things.”
2/15/2012 7:57:07 PM Question What about the Commerce Clause?
2/15/2012 7:57:12 PM Answer Jeremy Friedbaum “Regulation means to make everything regular or make sure everything is weighted equally. In terms of regulation then the only things that the federal government should regulate are their own industries.
I would say that OSHA has no more power of enforcement but can publish the right things to do. If you get sued in court because they have a standard that you don’t meet then fine.
I would like to get rid of EPA, Department of Eucation, Federal Reserve. I’d like to get the federal government out of our commerce.
A lot of what they are doing is what the Congress should be doing. The problem is that the Supreme Court has interpreted wrongly. If the Congress doesn’t agree with their opinion then they can overwrite it. Congress can make a regulation.
David Barton says that he knows 9 ways to put federal judges in their place without impeaching. Congress can say that their interpretation is wrong. The first Commerce/Corn growing case could have been overturned by Congress.
Article 3 Section 2 Paragraph 2.
Think about having a party at your home the Wednesday before Caucus to encourage people to get out.”
2/15/2012 8:01:00 PM Presentation Chris Herrod “Are you tired yet? I am Representative Chris Herrod. I have been in te legislature for 6 years. A lot of people have asked why I am running.
I believe we have a very small window of opportunity to change things. I see my five children and they are the biggest reason to run and yet not run. I want to make sure they have the same opportunities. As you try and decide who is best I will let you know how I grew up.
My father was in Vietnam. I grew up in Provo and got to be in the Freedom Festival. As a Junior/Senior in High School I went to Eurpore traveling. I had two profound experiences there. I was in Hungary seeing the wall that came down and the other experience was seeing Berlin. West Berlin in the middle of East Germany. The train stopped on the way through East Germany to get to West Berlin. They made dogs check the trains. My friend lost his film in his camera because he was taking pictures of dogs.
We visited East Berlin. We had an East German tour guide telling us how good it was. I went back to see East Berlin later. I could only stand 4 hours. It was terrible to see Socialism. It robs people of everything. When we were returning back to West Berlin I realized that if I did something wrong I could be shot.
In 1992 I graduated with a Masters at BYU. I went to Ukraine and married the girl who picked me up at the airport. She is from Russia. She is the greatest blessing in my life. She constantly reminds me of the blessings here. She grew up in a 2 room apartment and saw the oppression. I can talk about property rights and as I saw abuses there I was grateful to be American. I tried to speak up while I was there, but it was not my fight there. I vowed that if I ever saw what was happening there starting to happen here then I would do something about it. I actually didn’t think I would have to keep that pledge. But I finally see a day when we would have to pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred Honor and that time is now.
My wife was appalled to see Obama signs in the front yards of our neighbors. She knows social medicine leads. She has the physical scars to prove it. I have seen where we are headed and I don’t want to be there.
We have a way to get the nation out of this crisis with our lands. One of the things you will hear a lot about is the lands. Representative Sumsion and I started that fight. We are not followers we are leaders. You will hear in this race that seniority matters. When I got in to office here some said that if I don’t cause waves then in six years I could make a difference. I didn’t do that. I helped create the Patrick Henry Caucus.
Representative Wimmer wrote the opt out legislation and that gave us standing in the Supreme Court because we were sophmore legislators. Don’t let anybody tell you that this race is about Seniority. It can’t be that we only see changes by a majority of the majority party. I want to open for quesitons.”
2/15/2012 8:08:52 PM Question What are the main priorities for Utah?
2/15/2012 8:08:59 PM Answer Chris Herrod “Get back to the balance of Federalism. The states created Wahsington. We need to teach that. My goal is to make a US Senator less powerful. We need to push the programs back to the states. If it is not in Article 1 or if is is not in the advise and consent then we shouldn’t do it. That is one of the most important things.
The other issue is our lands. We need to make sure that Utah can take care of its lands. We have oil in Utah and Colorado.
There is a reason that the Constitution states no more than 10 miles square and the founding fathers put that in because if the Federal government had more then they would exercise undue influence on a state. When Salazar pulled the 77 leases from our lands we lost $250 million to fund education.
Clinton took away trillions of dollars worth of the cleanest coal. That was undue influence. We have the ability to do this.
We have to cut spending. We have to cut departments and we have to get more revenue. It is not enough to reform.
Medicare should be done in the states.
The Department of Education’s $95 billion should be cut. Parents know the best how to educate the children.
What is in the Constitution Article 1 section 8. We need to get back to that. National security. The world is more dangerous today than it was. Russia is raking in the money. The Iraninans can cut off the Straits of Hormuz.
We can not out spend the Chinese and Iran. And the Russians are back.”
2/15/2012 8:13:31 PM Question Iran?
2/15/2012 8:13:34 PM Answer Chris Herrod “So much of our oil comes from there. If we had our own oil then the options are greater.
Now you still have to worry about the bomb. You can also have an EMP (electro magnetic pulse) bomb and we have to watch out for that. But primarily we are in this problem because we have to watch our oil.
The basics of government and Constitution.
In 2010 we became a net importer of food. It is part of burning our own food in Ethanol. Nobody has the guts to take on Iowa, the first caucus in the United States. I don’t care if it hurts my president aspirations. You will get from me the real thing. I am not a one issue person.
Immigration is a secondary issue and because of that I have been called names. I have taken on the establishment and that is what I will do in DC.”
2/15/2012 8:16:33 PM Presentation Dale Ash “I am runnning for Senate. This is my position paper.
I just retired from Merck. I was with them for 25 years. I have wanted to be in politics my whole life. In 1999 I was a legislative chair but then I returned home and helped my kids. My youngest has graduated and I can do this now. In 2011 I took a severance package. I have a book I have been writing. I have posted liberally on my website. I am running aganst Senator Hatch.
I found a quote from Stalin. I saw that he said “all that you have to do is undermine spiritually, patriotism, and moral footing.” Once the morality was dropped then all the problems can start. The Court has allowed too much. They have too much power.
Federalism has been ruined by Commerce, Welfare and Necessary clauses which has given too much power to the Federal government. They put a stake through the heart of federalism.
States fail when they try nullification but you have to do it. According to history it just doesn’t work.
Another book that Rex Lee wrote said that the ultimate was “we the people.” We can instruct through constitutional amendment. We build enough support among Republicans, Independents and Democrats. We can Instruct the Supreme Court.
There are too many issues but I talked to Lee and Bishop about a potential change that if 2/3 of state legislatures approve something then they will overrule the Supreme Court. These things have been forced on us by Marxist judges.
Ginsburg says that Constitutions should be based on Positive Rights. Everybody deserves things like health care, housing, education and other things. Has communism ever worked? No it has hurt people everywhere.
We are the freest country in this world. Each two years we say who can govern for a short time and then you can return to home. We empower 300 million people to give and create. And we are the most efficient in business and charity and political involvement (meaning people who can and do run for office).
If there is a hot issue the caucus is packed then you rise. If nothing is happening then the political involvement goes down. That is American politics and it is wonderful. But this shining light in Politics, Business and Charity is being pushed out. We have to fight to win this.
I am a sales person. We have not a had good salesman in office since Reagan. We also need to have a vision and strategy of where we want to go. We need to have strategies to win or we are in trouble because they are ahead of us at every turn. They are acting on their plans. But we are just reacting to their plans. And going on without having a plan is unacceptable. There is a Caucus in the House that is promoting Conservative principles but not in the Senate. Why? With 36 years not having a Caucus you are going to lose.
Independents vote on the person not the platform. They don’t like anyone who is angry or mean. Reagan would consistently say “there you go again” and then he would teach principles. When McCain got angry during debates all the independents turned from him.
They look for the person, not the platform. I have a friend who is a registered Democrat but he hates the extra taxes and regulation. He is also someone who wants people to be taken care of and he believes that Republicans would let people die in the streets because they don’t care.
So I told him, but what if I told you that we want to help take care of people who are really in need, we just want to help on the State level. He said, well then I would like that. We aren’t selling well what we really believe. We keep only selling to our choir.
There are roughly 35% Rep, 35% Ind, 25% progress. We have got to start fighting back. Every candidate needs money running against Hatch. The Repulican Party is putting a drain on these candidates. I should have set aside $30,000 to run for this office. My friends say don’t do that and I shouldn’t risk my retirement.
I have decided that I will give $5000.00 for the caucus, $5000.00 for the primary and $5000.00 for the general which is the most I can give. We are fighting against Hatch with his $2 million raised Utah and $8 million from outside.
See Daleash.com
Balanced Budget Amendment. Financial sanity and the justice department is going after banks for reimbursing people who couldn’t pay.”
2/15/2012 8:29:23 PM Question Why you and why now?
2/15/2012 8:29:30 PM Answer Dale Ash “The book took longer than I thought and I wasn’t going to make it. I finally decided to run. But then getting website and everything else put together took too long. I have been planning to be in this race for a while.
I don’t believe you need to have prior legislative experience. If you look at all the Senators since statehood there was only one who had State legislative experience. Most of our people have run from Private sector.
You have some excellent choices. If you want someone that can sell and can shoot with strategy then I am the one.”
2/15/2012 8:31:17 PM Presentation Loy Brunson “My name is Loy Brunson and I am runing for Utah Senator. Many don’t know the oath of office and I think our media should take every chance they have to tell their viewers to protect and defend and uphold the Constitution. I think people would refer to the document more often if the media referred to it.
There are some amazing and simple parts that we can understand. The fifth amendment is that you can’t have your property taken without just compenastion.
Involuntary servitude is mentioned in the 13th article. We are so out of alignment with the original document and its intent. Thomas Jefferson was angry about one clause. He thought the borrowing clause was destructive. Alexander Hamilton said that it was a national blessing. But we see now what the effect is. According to Hamilton it should be the Central bank that was privately owned. And now the only way we can get money is by borrowing from this bank. Whoever has the gold makes the rules. He has who the money is the master.
I want to remind others about the oath. It works. Reminding of a contract that they have helps. Then I would expose the biggest enemy to the United States. I says that I would need to defend against enemies both foreign and domestic. My neighbor, who served in the military, says that there is only one definition of an enemy. The friendly fire incident that happened with the aircraft recently happened because they didn’t know how to identify an enemy.
When Obama says, “The constitution is fundamentally flawed.” What is that? Why isn’t the press on this. That is not upholding the Constitution.
Immigrants swear to affirm the Constitution. It binds even Supreme Court Justices. There are some powerful things in this document.
My very favorite amendment of them all is the 9th. Even the Constitution can not be used to disparage or deny the rights of the people because they are unalienable. The pursuit if life, liberty, happiness and property.
How did the founders have the faith to sign the Declaration? Why would they do that? In four places we see a reference to God. I was thinking, “who is this God?” In my searching I found it in Article 7 of the Constitution of the United States. It refers to “Our Lord.” Congress can’t even convene on Sundays. As we study the document then we can protect and preserve the ideas.
The force is the same as with the founders we need to go back to the original. We can find some exciting things in it. Read it. Underline stuff that hits you between the eyes. As you start defending and promoting this document you will start to see miracles big and little begin to happen all around you.
If you keep your oath you are blessed and if you break it then you won’t receive the blessing. Whether you believe in God or not it doesn’t change the fact that it happened. I would love to interview other representatives and confirm that they will be blessed if they keep their word.
Ask the justices if they support Article 7.
I would ask them in committee, “What about the 10 commandments do you hate?” “Do you want to get rid of false witness? Covet? Adultery?”
Maybe they are saying that the division of church and state is not good to have in their face. They are only lying and cheating from you and taking the powers away.”
2/15/2012 8:41:22 PM Question What would you tackle first?
2/15/2012 8:41:31 PM Answer Loy Brunson I have already been talking to them. I went to Representative Camp. He said that he was going to look in to it. I can be the honorable squeaky wheel. You have to bring the people with you.
2/15/2012 8:42:10 PM Question If you can talk to them as a journalist, why are you running for office instead of keeping to journalism?
2/15/2012 8:42:25 PM Answer Loy Brunson “When I am there as a Seantor I can talk to anyone. I have an open door. I can listen to them because they know that we have to talk. And then they need to listen to me.
Unfortunately their vote effects Utah. Why haven’t our representatives gotten out there. With enough people you can raise the awareness.
We need to return the money back to Congress not the Fed.
We need to shed light on these things with prayer and God to get it all under control.”
2/15/2012 8:44:52 PM Question After the Fed what next?
2/15/2012 8:44:59 PM Answer Loy Brunson “Two things to keep currency potent.
1 – cut social issues
2 – stop writing the loans”
2/15/2012 8:46:56 PM Presentation Tim Aalders “I am running for the US Senate.
I am not a politician. I have not held office. Operator, CEO and COO. I was in steel wholesale over sales across the west coast. I made a deal to sign a line of credit. But a year later that blew up in our companies face due to influence from banks.
I started Buy Back America. I went to KNRS and we talked about what I wanted to discuss. When I got back for a follow up interview there Glenn Beck was also there. He loved our concept. If you sign over the concept then we will sign you on. I said that I wouldn’t sign another deal like the one I had signed before, so I self funded the radio show. The show got picked up by a number of other stations and now I do 5 days a week.
I have interviewd some of the biggest guests in the country. 64 US Senators and 100s of congressman.
The Authors of the laws and speeches know what they are talking about and the politicians only know the words. They don’t like to be on my show for more than an hour. “If you talk to us for more than an hour I am going to look stupid.” They don’t know the issues. Some of them don’t know what Glass Steigall is and they don’t know these things.
Why would Congress advocate passing off their problems on professionals? Because they just don’t know enough. We have some good people who are great.
I think we ought to remove not reform. I am tired of the word debate and reform. In 2010 they found 82 duplicate programs in the Department of Education but they didn’t cut one. Everyone has said that they want to do away with the Department of Education on my show. It is a cabinet positions and Republicans shot down Reagan for trying to shut it down. Because the loop goes back to money and trips and campaigning.
You and I never see that. Most politicains say they work 70% of the time campaigning. I want to go back to Washington. I will work 6 years knocking on doors. I will say why the bills are bad. If the people want to put me back on the ballot they can but I will want to retire after a second term because someone else can take the fight.
Most of the people didn’t know what NDAA was. It says that they can detain you without due process. The president said he would never use it.
There is now an expatriate act that says they can remove your citizenship without due process.
What are they thinking? Congress passed it. None of the stuff he (Obama) could do without the Republicans in the House allowing it in some way.
Why aren’t the 93 Senators being fought in the open area for passing NDAA? Why do we buy the rhetoric that they are doing a great job?
I am not going to tell you that I will fix everything. I will play it straight here and will fight for what Utah needs. Those who say the 17th amendment is bad and that we should repeal are just talking. I will behave as if it doesn’t exist. I will come back to the local legislators and I will work to do what they are saying.
If it is Constitutional then I will do it. We will end a committee on my staff that will see about removing these bills from law. They don’t want to do it because it will cut off their bribes. It is not going to happen for me.
Friday I am doing and event at the South Jordan Noah’s. I have the Frederick Douglass ?? flying in. I am making my official announcement to run that night.
The response I have gotten is good so far. When I got a call saying it is not my turn I didn’t listen. I am getting out there and reaching people on the radio. I will fight for our kids and my future and yours.
I know all the issues and if I don’t I will find out and research and get the answers.”
2/15/2012 8:56:53 PM Question Top priority?
2/15/2012 8:56:59 PM Answer Tim Aalders “I will have to cut. The money that was paid to the Department of Education going away won’t happen and change that. We need to get spending under control and revenue.
I have helped create jobs. And I will try and explain that.”
2/15/2012 8:57:43 PM Question I would rather have you give a speech on the floor.
2/15/2012 8:57:54 PM Answer Tim Aalders Things need to be said and there is nobody there who has the courage to say it. I have a speech ready right now to give.
2/15/2012 8:58:10 PM Question Department of Education?
2/15/2012 8:58:16 PM Answer Tim Aalders “I have 64 people who on my show have said they want to get rid of the Department. I will go to them to remind them and say “You can either refuse to sign it and I will replay the tape OR you can cosponsor with me and we will move it through.” I am not afraid to knock on a Democrats door.
The Congress is supposed to have more power the President. I don’t need to answer when he calls, I can tell him to come to my office. I feel that I can make headway. I can’t guarantee it.
I can guarantee you that every day I will fight.
We need someone who will fight every day to get it done. They will eventually join me. We need to do what is right. Just like the colonial minutemen they just needed a leader and we need to find that again.”
2/15/2012 9:00:17 PM Question You said that you will listen report to Utah Legislature. Have you found out what Utah wants?
2/15/2012 9:00:40 PM Answer Tim Aalders “Fighting for spending and making the tough choices. They understand that in Utah it is hard. We get it here. Other people in other states don’t get it.
State needs to have a Senator from the state that we will keep the land. And we will no longer let them just steal the property. So they would have to sue us. The Senate will have to beat us up. We are sitting on it. We could also lease it out as part of starting this.
The first time a President sends troops in to take back control it will put them in a very sticky situation and they will want to have discussions instead.”

2/15/2012 9:03:36 PM Mix and Mingle